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Re: The "ObamaMeter"

Postby Lincoln Park Dem » Tue May 26, 2009 9:04 pm

Are we reading the same article?

Successes

-- Only two presidents - Abraham Lincoln and Franklin D. Roosevelt - have come into office with greater challenges, Riley said. "So you have to grade him like you grade Olympic divers - you look at his degree of difficulty. And it is high."

-- "I think he's had as good a 100 days as you can, until" the Bush-era torture memos were released, Berman said. If the country continues to focus on the torture issue, "that would damage a lot of the goodwill he's built up because it would lead to congressional deadlock."

-- Passed a $787 billion stimulus plan, the Ledbetter law requiring equal pay for women and expanded health care benefits for children.

-- Ordered closing of Guantanamo Bay facility, drawdown of troops in Iraq.

-- Praised for decisive handling of pirate hostage situation off coast of Africa.
Challenges

-- "His stand on Afghanistan bears watching," Riley said. "But it's not being paid attention to right now because of the economy."
Fumbles

-- "Poor vetting" of high-level Cabinet candidates - Tom Daschle, Bill Richardson - led to setbacks, loss of high-quality leaders, Berman said.

-- Fuzzy position on whether to prosecute Bush-era figures responsible for torture. "The American people are extremely forgiving but they don't respond well to what they perceive as flip-flopping," Knott said.

Bottom line

-- Gallup Poll approval average over 100-day period: 63 percent.
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Re: The "ObamaMeter"

Postby pcmoore28 » Tue May 26, 2009 9:21 pm

I have no confidence in the Obama Meter. The St Pete Times endorsed him for President, has always been a left leaning newspaper and their reporting is biased.

You can pick and choose what you want to make your guy look good...I know what I know and it is not based on what the st Pete Times rates him on.

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Re: The "ObamaMeter"

Postby someonewhocares » Tue May 26, 2009 10:41 pm

You know.... after bush's 100 days we all said he sucked..... and he did and continued to suck......
Im sure you were saying he sucked then too sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo we can judge as we want. Remember this is america and we do have those rights to our own thoughts regardless of what koolaid we refuse.
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Re: The "ObamaMeter"

Postby Matty » Tue May 26, 2009 10:50 pm

You all know how I feel about the first 100 days...........so feel free to skip over this.
Re:post........
I don't need an Obamameter...... I can follow what is important to me and how that is
working out.

HEY, WHY NOT.......... LETS SALUTE THE FIRST 100 DAYS.......


Not bad for only 100 days.

YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH...... AT LEAST DO IT FROM SOMEWHERE BESIDES
OBAMA. CON........ And you simply have to stop watching MSNBC, CNN,
listening to AirAmerica Radio .... (have to admit Huffinton post is starting to
ask real questions)

1. the fake 95% of us tax cut? It expires in 2 years....... better hang on to that
$8-13.00 dollar paycheck, if you still have a paycheck............
It is like buying a House with reduced interest... and in 2 years the balloon maturity
comes due............... and the interest goes up.
ALL TAXES ON ALL AMERICANS WILL GO UP.... THEY HAVE TO ........ AND
THEY ARE NOT WAITING 2 YEARS TO GET STARTED.

2. Pay freeze on senior White House Staff, that was good?............
WHO GIVES A F@#K?
Obama is also doing a freeze on the REAL SENIORS of this land.
Social Security will not get a Cost of Living Raise for the next 3 years which will
result in a 15% reduction of benefits.
They will show you the pie chart with the amount of money going out in SS.
HELLO THIS IS NOT GENERAL FUND TAXPAYER MONEY....... THIS IS REAL
MONEY INVESTED FOR SS BY ALL REAL WORKING AMERICANS.
They want the surplus to feed into the General fund. They have been raiding SS
since the 60s...... the SS trust fund will break even in 2040 but the trust fund is
filled with paper IOUs and in 2018 the money coming in will equal the money
going out.....
OBAMA PROMISED TO PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY
The Baby boomers? will not be able to retire............ Why?

Their retirement savings and 401s in the Stock Market have lost
value as much as 50% which will delay retirement.

Keep the boomers working and kill them off... that should solve some of the
SS problems.

AND.... IN 2040? ALL THE BOOMERS WILL BE DEAD.

3. Obama made stricter guidelines for lobbyists............
DID WE BUY THAT PIECE OF SHIT?
you stupid fools....... we are embarrassing ourselves.
He said NO LOBBYISTS in his cabinet.........
The stupid guidelines were altered so he could hire lobbyist.

4. He promised to end the Wars and bring troops home.
PERIOD...... PERIOD....... PERIOD............
He is maintaining combat troops in Iraq and expanding into Afghanistan.
He has request Congress for $94 Billion to continue the War efforts.
There is also a Bill that will provide a continued support of
funding. Sooooooooo as long as it take does not sound short
term.
GOT THAT....????? CONTINUED......
68,000 troops in Afghanistan and they are sending 20,000 more.

And, all the money he was going to save? To pay for all his Social Programs?
Well, he is spending money to do them anyway...... and his wonderful
Criminal, fraud organizing group ACORN will be in charge of this
wonderful opportunity to exploit taxpayers money.
Jobs alright.......... scum bag jobs.
Jobs created ....??
Government jobs that expire and community Government organizing
jobs, that will go on forever. :sick:

HOW ARE WE DOING SO FAR? NOT BAD FOR 100 DAYS........ WELL WE HAVE
MORE.

5. Inheritance tax that we worked so hard for so long to get rid of?
Back........ 0-40%...... the kids will have to sell the family home to pay taxes.

6. Dividend tax that old people live on in the retirement savings?
Tripled the tax to 40%.

7. Capital Gains...... double to almost 30%.......... growing family selling to
expand up, almost half in taxes....... on the equity ..... add state tax and
broker fees.......... same with old folks selling and down sizing.

8. Yes, gang....... it is true........... employer paid employee health care
will be taxed as income.

9. Increase Federal Tax on smokes, booze and now soda and sugar drinks.

10. don't forget the Carbon tax........ estimated to cost every
family $3,000 a year.

11. National Sales tax is on the table.

12. Remember the oil drilling, so we could be free of foreign oil?
Oil to fill the gaps as we move to alternative energy?
Delayed........ off the table. It will take 2-3 years to produce,
and we have already lost half a year.

13. Remember the seniors that would not pay taxes if
their income was under $50,000 ? That is gone.
Does the Obameter register that one? It must, there
are 400 + promises still in the pot.

14. Remember the Promise with FISA, do you
stupid fools even know what that is?
Well, last month he said he was going to keep it.
He promised to get rid of it.

15. Remember the Promise for Transparency and
Accountability and 5 days to review all Bills before
passing a signing? I guess that is under the bus
too.

16. And, the latest..... he is willing to give Nuclear
technology to the United Arab Emirates........ unbelievable.
Maybe they are upset because we are going to allow
Iran to have theirs.

17. He has managed to add enough National Debt in 3 months to match what it
took Bush to do in 8 years.

18. And, for the first time in 60 years the United States
of America is not standing behind the only Democracy in the Middle East.... Israel.
Obama is cutting a deal with Iran to trade Nuclear
Power adventures for sanctions given by Israel.
Obama wants Israel to give up land and open their
boarders to Islamic immigration.
Can't Force Israel out...... breed them out.
Also an embargo on arms.
There is more going on here..... beware.

Most of all in these 100 days.............. he has led this country into a National Bankruptcy.

When Obama had the opportunity to do the most important Bill in his new Administration,
he didn't write it or create it....... he gave it to the BUSINESS AS USUAL SHARKS, the very
ones HE PROMISED TO CHANGE........
When he told Nancy and Harry........ we need to stimulate spending for the economy and
create jobs.........
They thought he meant Government Spending, not an opportunity for the Americans to
spend.
I got it, you got it.... I think even Obama got it.
The stimulus package is a failure.
Spin it..... damage control it....... do anything you want with it......... it is not
the right formula for the results needed. Pick and shovel jobs, Government organizer
jobs........... where are the private sector jobs? Where is the help for small business?
OH, I get it..... lets tax them.

Obama admitted he knew nothing about economics.... law school you know....
Well, he has to depend on "Others"....... the American people didn't vote for
"Others" and we don't even like some of these "Others"
Most of them are responsible for the problems we have in our Financial Crisis.

Obama said we have to shift to a more solid economy not dependent on bubbles.
He is right on with that........
Yet, he has created or is creating his own bubble.
The 95% tax cuts goes away in 2 years..... all these temp jobs....... expire,
and all the assistance to the States with strings attached expire in funding
in 2 years as well. BUT THE STATES ARE FORCED TO CONTINUE THESE PROGRAMS
ON THEIR OWN............... more taxes in the form of State Taxes.......

YOU SPEND...... SPEND....... SPEND....... AND BORROW........ BORROW.....

You only need two brain cells to rub together to know that you have to
meet the challenges of paying it all back, sometime and to do that will
require creative generation of revenue.

Is this Obama Hating? I personally fear for the future of our Country.
What are we offering to the future of our Country.

I think we are offering the same thing Obama offered us in the campaign,
smoke, mirrors, sunshine and rose peddles blown up our tail pipes.

We are who we are and we will be where we will be..... right or wrong.
We will do as we have always done in this country...... we will survive.
That too, will be creative.

I love my Country..... it breaks my heart to see the damage that both
Bush and now Obama have done and I do not look forward to the
necessary repair. :sobbing:
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Re: The "ObamaMeter"

Postby someonewhocares » Tue May 26, 2009 11:00 pm

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Re: The "ObamaMeter"

Postby Lincoln Park Dem » Wed May 27, 2009 7:08 am

Interesting. The first comments on this thread were about how what a great tool tool the 'Obamameter' was a 'gem', comments about how the Obamameter should be used. I was even called out to comment on it. very amusing
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Re: The "ObamaMeter"

Postby pcmoore28 » Fri May 29, 2009 4:19 am

The Obama Meter is good for those that base their decisions on the information provided by the government-controlled media.

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Re: The "ObamaMeter"

Postby Arius » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:22 am

Matty wrote:4. He promised to end the Wars and bring troops home.
PERIOD...... PERIOD....... PERIOD............
He is maintaining combat troops in Iraq and expanding into Afghanistan.
He has request Congress for $94 Billion to continue the War efforts.
There is also a Bill that will provide a continued support of
funding. Sooooooooo as long as it take does not sound short
term.
GOT THAT....????? CONTINUED......
68,000 troops in Afghanistan and they are sending 20,000 more.


He is doing EXACTLY what he said he'd do about the wars. (And incidentally, it was also Hillary's plan.)
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Re: The "ObamaMeter"

Postby retiredarmy » Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:10 am

Arius wrote:
Matty wrote:4. He promised to end the Wars and bring troops home.
PERIOD...... PERIOD....... PERIOD............
He is maintaining combat troops in Iraq and expanding into Afghanistan.
He has request Congress for $94 Billion to continue the War efforts.
There is also a Bill that will provide a continued support of
funding. Sooooooooo as long as it take does not sound short
term.
GOT THAT....????? CONTINUED......
68,000 troops in Afghanistan and they are sending 20,000 more.


He is doing EXACTLY what he said he'd do about the wars. (And incidentally, it was also Hillary's plan.)


Just maybe it was her plan before it was his! He had no plans that I am awre of before the elction! He never opened up the discussion but just hinted to appease the audience!
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Re: The "ObamaMeter"

Postby Arius » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:46 pm

retiredarmy wrote:Just maybe it was her plan before it was his! He had no plans that I am awre of before the elction! He never opened up the discussion but just hinted to appease the audience!


I think his plan was pretty vague during the campaign. Hillary and Biden had specifics that were pretty close to what's going on. Be that as it may, however, what I'm pointing out is all the hate for this administration's policies that are the same as Hillary's. Yet most of the people here thought Hillary was brilliant. (I know, Betty, I know - you hate Hillary as well.) It makes me wonder why anyone here supported Hillary in the first place.
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